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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by tat00x » 22 Mar 2020, 06:57

~svenhair wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 03:55
tat00x wrote:
21 Mar 2020, 18:49
~svenhair wrote:
21 Mar 2020, 18:40
Meanwhile, In South Korea, the other communist dictatorship, they just let you die or kill you first. Useless eaters just take a dirt nap.
Unless you have any proof you should say "in my opinion".
My bad, of course I meant North Korea. South Korea is neither communist nor a dictatorship. This is common knowledge. Many who have escaped this part of North Korea have spoken out on worse atrocities than this. Surely you know this? But I must ask, what would constitute acceptable proof for you? North Korea is a closed society, do you expect free press to sneak in and bring back video? What’s so hard to believe about this?
Now this makes sense. It is not a matter of acceptable proof, it's just that reading that referred to South instead of North Korea confused me a bit :wink:

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by kensrs » 22 Mar 2020, 09:03

JimB wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 02:35
WELL, according to a number of news release it sounds like no one will be getting a hair cut for a month or more because of this virus.

Barber shop and hair salons are being asked, in some case and places told, to CLOSE SHOP UNTIL FURTHER NOTIFIED.
ya leading to a lot of girls shaving their head on YT and we arent even done with a week yet

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by fastmandan88 » 22 Mar 2020, 09:08

Okay, this shit is getting ridiculous now. We are barely into the year 2020.

Orders were issued three weeks ago to have the military ready to take control of the government and implement martial law if the White House and Congress became incapacitated by coronavirus. Is there no designated survivor hiding out in a bunker in Colorado or something for the next 12 months?

The four-star general who will command the US if government is crippled by coronavirus: Military puts plans in place for 'extraordinary circumstances' and martial law


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nment.html


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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by murphy1746 » 22 Mar 2020, 21:44

fastmandan88 wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 09:08
Okay, this shit is getting ridiculous now. We are barely into the year 2020.

Orders were issued three weeks ago to have the military ready to take control of the government and implement martial law if the White House and Congress became incapacitated by coronavirus. Is there no designated survivor hiding out in a bunker in Colorado or something for the next 12 months?

The four-star general who will command the US if government is crippled by coronavirus: Military puts plans in place for 'extraordinary circumstances' and martial law


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nment.html
At risk of getting in trouble. At this point be prepared for anything. I know this seems to be a slow motion train wreck, my briefings get more dire every time. Start thinking of planting a garden if able. Sweet corn, sun flowers are a good source of food. The food supply chain has 60 days left.

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by RitschRatsch » 22 Mar 2020, 23:30

murphy1746 wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 21:44
fastmandan88 wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 09:08
Okay, this shit is getting ridiculous now. We are barely into the year 2020.

Orders were issued three weeks ago to have the military ready to take control of the government and implement martial law if the White House and Congress became incapacitated by coronavirus. Is there no designated survivor hiding out in a bunker in Colorado or something for the next 12 months?

The four-star general who will command the US if government is crippled by coronavirus: Military puts plans in place for 'extraordinary circumstances' and martial law


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nment.html
At risk of getting in trouble. At this point be prepared for anything. I know this seems to be a slow motion train wreck, my briefings get more dire every time. Start thinking of planting a garden if able. Sweet corn, sun flowers are a good source of food. The food supply chain has 60 days left.
I was already planting a garden. Having grown up with the threat of nuclear warfare and in the shadow of a volcano, in a region prone to earthquakes, I guess you could call me an inherent "prepper", although without the guns or paranoia. Potatoes, BTW, need less space, are easier to grow and get started (you may have some sprouting in the bin right now) and generate far more nutritious mass, that keeps longer. You can grow them on your balcony in black plastic bags.

We're already flattening our curve here and our state has dropped from #1 to #3 in confirmed cases because of the quick, decisive action of our governor, Jay Inslee, a man who was called a "snake" on March 6th by Kim Jon Un's favorite orange butt-boy for daring to criticize his lack of any real response then to the unfolding crisis.

Ain't evolution a pain?

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by kensrs » 24 Mar 2020, 05:47

This is for the people that compare this to the flu:

Look at these graphs:
https://i.redd.it/1tjxme17w0j41.png

Can you see the difference?

If we use the stats from:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

14% deaths by this but that is high so lets go with 3%

With H1N1:
From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

60.8m people got it, if same amount of people got this one which is far more contagious that is 1.8m dead Americans. Now that is if we keep them getting the proper medical care, what happens if they all get sick at once and there are no ventilators? You would be looking at millions more dying because there is no where near enough as we only got 200,000 in the country.

Now think what happens if this is more contagious and more than 60.8m get it, what happens if they all get it at once?

Scary times

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by viper74 » 24 Mar 2020, 12:06

Update from the Netherland. Figures from yesterday but so far 4749 confirmed cases and the death toll has risen to 213. On the south of the Netherlands hospitals we approaching the limit of what they could handle and patients were transferred to the northern part of the country. Also normal hospital care is being diverted to hotels that are converting to rooms to take care of patients. The hotel have a lot of free rooms. Typical patients are women that have to give birth and also cured corona patients that are not needing extreme special care.

Yesterday the government has annonced policies to enforce the measures in place. Everyone is still advised to keep 1.5 meter distance but last weekend (nice weather) a lot of people are ignoring this. Mayors of cities can now enforce measures to stop this. Including giving tickets. Also all hairdressers and beatysalons are now forced to close. Stores are urged to manage the flow of people to the stores, police and civil inspectors are monitoring this. If this doesn't work a full lockdown will be enforced. These measures will be in effect till the 1st of June. Everyone is asked to stay at home as much as possible.
In my opinion last weekend we as a people had our chance to show we can handle this and we failed so a forced shutdown should be imposed. In Amsterdam people were having Bootcamp group trainings...

I am in IT but were working in a small office an keep our distance. We are rotating home work. I only go out if I need groceries and just to walk a bit.

And the latest news is all central final exams for high schools are terminated. And the most worrying news has been told by the chairman of the Intensive care specialists. Alt the moment more then 500 people are on intensive care and they were hoping this would have happenend on friday this week.

And just some extra info. We are with 17 million people here an there are 6,1 intensive care beds per 100.000 people. Germany has 21.....So if the shit hits the fan real hard we are f*cked and we will see Italian scenes in hospitals.

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by scissortooth » 24 Mar 2020, 13:09

Well, I wouldn't want to jinx anything, but at the moment it seems that we have started flattening the curve in Poland, at near 800 cases and 8 deaths. The gov't plans to impose further limitation in order to keep people isolated and continue the good trend. They say if all goes well the business could start reopening after Easter. Well, I'm sure keeping my fingers crossed for that. We have a saying in Poland that "the dumb one is always the luckiest" and if these forecasts prove true it would definitely apply to our ruling class...

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by ~svenhair » 24 Mar 2020, 13:51

From my source:
The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine with a standard Z-Pack antibiotic is emerging to be our best possible treatment for those infected. The US started double blind testing yesterday against placebo. France was so impressed by the first trial, they are implementing without the forgoing testing. The first French tests were only a small sample, but showed it killed the virus in the body in all patients in 4 days. Stunning results, let’s pray this works and that the pills can be procured in volumes necessary.

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by tat00x » 24 Mar 2020, 17:27

viper74 wrote:
24 Mar 2020, 12:06
Update from the Netherland. Figures from yesterday but so far 4749 confirmed cases and the death toll has risen to 213. On the south of the Netherlands hospitals we approaching the limit of what they could handle and patients were transferred to the northern part of the country. Also normal hospital care is being diverted to hotels that are converting to rooms to take care of patients. The hotel have a lot of free rooms. Typical patients are women that have to give birth and also cured corona patients that are not needing extreme special care.

Yesterday the government has annonced policies to enforce the measures in place. Everyone is still advised to keep 1.5 meter distance but last weekend (nice weather) a lot of people are ignoring this.
Exactly like us (Italy) 2 weeks ago.

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by viper74 » 24 Mar 2020, 18:16

I know, a minority in parliament is pissed off about this. I sure hope we don't follow you guys. And what's even worse, you guys got no EU support whatsoever. That is going to cost those guys in Brussels dearly. Stay safe there, tat00x. I guess we will get a mandatory lockdown next week and the government is going to blame the people instead of leading in this crisis.

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by kensrs » 24 Mar 2020, 21:53

scissortooth wrote:
24 Mar 2020, 13:09
Well, I wouldn't want to jinx anything, but at the moment it seems that we have started flattening the curve in Poland, at near 800 cases and 8 deaths. The gov't plans to impose further limitation in order to keep people isolated and continue the good trend. They say if all goes well the business could start reopening after Easter. Well, I'm sure keeping my fingers crossed for that. We have a saying in Poland that "the dumb one is always the luckiest" and if these forecasts prove true it would definitely apply to our ruling class...
IDK how business can go back to normal unless it is essential businesses but until they find a cure I cant see large gatherings of people happening anytime soon. Good to hear some good news though :)

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by RitschRatsch » 25 Mar 2020, 00:25

Still smashing down that curve with a general order to stay home and shuttering non-essential businesses from Jay the Snake (He strikes at corvid-19 with the speed of a cobra, while the dotard-in-chief mumbles and fumbles!) and are now down from 1st to 4th in confirmed cases here in the great state of Washington.

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by Ddisp » 25 Mar 2020, 01:33

~svenhair wrote:
24 Mar 2020, 13:51
From my source:
The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine with a standard Z-Pack antibiotic is emerging to be our best possible treatment for those infected. The US started double blind testing yesterday against placebo. France was so impressed by the first trial, they are implementing without the forgoing testing. The first French tests were only a small sample, but showed it killed the virus in the body in all patients in 4 days. Stunning results, let’s pray this works and that the pills can be procured in volumes necessary.
Can you post this source? There are currently no randomized, placebo controlled trials available, and the small studies that do exist total about 120 patients, which is absolutely minuscule for drug trials. It’s not that they are forgoing testing, it’s an already approved drug for malaria that they are using out of desperation in people where other treatments have failed. And in France, the viral load decreased, but no change was seen in their clinical condition. So, it may very well have been their immune system clearing the virus, not an antimalarial.

P.S. I am an inpatient hospital pharmacist, and would really like to see your source.

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by RitschRatsch » 25 Mar 2020, 03:43

Ddisp wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 01:33
~svenhair wrote:
24 Mar 2020, 13:51
From my source:
The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine with a standard Z-Pack antibiotic is emerging to be our best possible treatment for those infected. The US started double blind testing yesterday against placebo. France was so impressed by the first trial, they are implementing without the forgoing testing. The first French tests were only a small sample, but showed it killed the virus in the body in all patients in 4 days. Stunning results, let’s pray this works and that the pills can be procured in volumes necessary.
Can you post this source? There are currently no randomized, placebo controlled trials available, and the small studies that do exist total about 120 patients, which is absolutely minuscule for drug trials. It’s not that they are forgoing testing, it’s an already approved drug for malaria that they are using out of desperation in people where other treatments have failed. And in France, the viral load decreased, but no change was seen in their clinical condition. So, it may very well have been their immune system clearing the virus, not an antimalarial.

P.S. I am an inpatient hospital pharmacist, and would really like to see your source.
His source? President Donald Trump, I'm willing to bet.

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by ~svenhair » 25 Mar 2020, 05:17

Ddisp wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 01:33
~svenhair wrote:
24 Mar 2020, 13:51
From my source:
The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine with a standard Z-Pack antibiotic is emerging to be our best possible treatment for those infected. The US started double blind testing yesterday against placebo. France was so impressed by the first trial, they are implementing without the forgoing testing. The first French tests were only a small sample, but showed it killed the virus in the body in all patients in 4 days. Stunning results, let’s pray this works and that the pills can be procured in volumes necessary.
Can you post this source? There are currently no randomized, placebo controlled trials available, and the small studies that do exist total about 120 patients, which is absolutely minuscule for drug trials. It’s not that they are forgoing testing, it’s an already approved drug for malaria that they are using out of desperation in people where other treatments have failed. And in France, the viral load decreased, but no change was seen in their clinical condition. So, it may very well have been their immune system clearing the virus, not an antimalarial.

P.S. I am an inpatient hospital pharmacist, and would really like to see your source.
My source is a good friend and physician who just moved from the Houston Medical center to Duke. She said that she.’s been following the promising results in a study conducted on a small number of patients by Didier Raoult, director of IHU Méditerranée Infection in the southern France in the city of Marseille. The controversy centered around the sample size, but he’s well published so they have to take him seriously. As to where the double blind study is being conducted in the US, apparently it’s at Stanford abd elsewhere.

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by ~svenhair » 25 Mar 2020, 05:19

RitschRatsch wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 03:43
Ddisp wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 01:33
~svenhair wrote:
24 Mar 2020, 13:51
From my source:
The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine with a standard Z-Pack antibiotic is emerging to be our best possible treatment for those infected. The US started double blind testing yesterday against placebo. France was so impressed by the first trial, they are implementing without the forgoing testing. The first French tests were only a small sample, but showed it killed the virus in the body in all patients in 4 days. Stunning results, let’s pray this works and that the pills can be procured in volumes necessary.
Can you post this source? There are currently no randomized, placebo controlled trials available, and the small studies that do exist total about 120 patients, which is absolutely minuscule for drug trials. It’s not that they are forgoing testing, it’s an already approved drug for malaria that they are using out of desperation in people where other treatments have failed. And in France, the viral load decreased, but no change was seen in their clinical condition. So, it may very well have been their immune system clearing the virus, not an antimalarial.

P.S. I am an inpatient hospital pharmacist, and would really like to see your source.
His source? President Donald Trump, I'm willing to bet.
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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by ~svenhair » 25 Mar 2020, 05:29

~svenhair wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 05:17
Ddisp wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 01:33
~svenhair wrote:
24 Mar 2020, 13:51
From my source:
The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine with a standard Z-Pack antibiotic is emerging to be our best possible treatment for those infected. The US started double blind testing yesterday against placebo. France was so impressed by the first trial, they are implementing without the forgoing testing. The first French tests were only a small sample, but showed it killed the virus in the body in all patients in 4 days. Stunning results, let’s pray this works and that the pills can be procured in volumes necessary.
Can you post this source? There are currently no randomized, placebo controlled trials available, and the small studies that do exist total about 120 patients, which is absolutely minuscule for drug trials. It’s not that they are forgoing testing, it’s an already approved drug for malaria that they are using out of desperation in people where other treatments have failed. And in France, the viral load decreased, but no change was seen in their clinical condition. So, it may very well have been their immune system clearing the virus, not an antimalarial.

P.S. I am an inpatient hospital pharmacist, and would really like to see your source.
I’m not in the profession, I am a manufacturing engineer.
My source is a good friend and physician who just moved from the Houston Medical center to Duke. She said that she’s been following the promising results in a study conducted on a rather small number of patients by Dr. Didier Raoult, director of IHU Méditerranée Infection in the southern France. He practices in Marseille and that’s all I know. Their is a website for the center, but it’s in French. The controversy still centers around the sample size, but he’s well published so they have to take him seriously. As to where the double blind study is being conducted in the US, apparently it’s at Stanford and elsewhere now as other doctors have gotten the drug for their trials also now. That’s all I have, but if the testing bears this out, I’m sure your be hearing more soon, especially if you’re a pharmacist n a hospital. I figured you’d know more about this being in the front lines. Thanks for helping people and stay safe.

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Re: Coronavirus Thread

Post by RitschRatsch » 25 Mar 2020, 16:35

~svenhair wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 05:19
RitschRatsch wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 03:43
Ddisp wrote:
25 Mar 2020, 01:33


Can you post this source? There are currently no randomized, placebo controlled trials available, and the small studies that do exist total about 120 patients, which is absolutely minuscule for drug trials. It’s not that they are forgoing testing, it’s an already approved drug for malaria that they are using out of desperation in people where other treatments have failed. And in France, the viral load decreased, but no change was seen in their clinical condition. So, it may very well have been their immune system clearing the virus, not an antimalarial.

P.S. I am an inpatient hospital pharmacist, and would really like to see your source.
His source? President Donald Trump, I'm willing to bet.
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